Book Review: Mapping the Origins Debate: Six Models of the Beginning of Everything by Gerald Rau
Most Christians have questions about Genesis in relation to science. As I’ve studied the first chapters hundreds if not thousands of times, my perspective has changed quite a bit. I grew up in churches that most likely accepted an old earth, but said little to nothing about evolution. Despite the claims of internet atheists to the contrary, I think this is probably the experience of the majority of evangelical churchgoers in America. These issues simply are not central in most sermons or Bible studies.
Apologetics 315 Book Reviewer G. Kyle Essary loves studying Scripture, and the Old Testament in particular. He and his family live in Southeast Asia where he strives to live for the One to whom the Old Testament points.
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MaryLou
On the other hand, John, I think it's wrong to interpret the Bible to fit what scientists say. Down through the years, we have seen scientists preach something as certainty only to have other scientists come along and say they're wrong and start preaching something altogether different.
Scientists are not infallible. God and his Word are. Therefore, I am leery about interpreting the Bible to make it fit science when science itself is limited in what it can tell us and is given to us by men and women who err from time to time.
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John Moore
George Will just said, "Conservatism begins with facing facts." The same goes for Christianity.
God not only wrote the Bible, but He also created the world. You can't honor the Bible by denying the world.
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MaryLou
But you can't honour the Bible by twisting what it says to fit what scientists say. It is the Bible that should shape our understanding of the world. The world shouldn't shape our understanding of the Bible.
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janitorialmusings
John,
Many many people would call YOU crazy for the position you express in your first comment: you rule out the possibility that the Bible is just plain wrong. Instead, you must have interpreted the Bible wrong. Many people would look at that and say it's that sort of unfalisfiable fundy biblicism that is clinging to beliefs despite solid evidence to the contrary.
That's what drives people away from religion – the crazy people like you who cling to their obsolete faith despite clear and overwhelming evidence.
See, two can play at this game! 🙂
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G. Kyle Essary
Hey John and MaryLou,
Thanks for commenting on my review of the book. I actually agree with both of you but not for the reasons you may expect:1. Science is stranger than it seems. The more I study science, the less confidence I have in observation because the observer distorts what's being study. I think the concept of "objective facts" in regards to science, particularly at the quantum level has to be rejected.
2. Scripture on the other hand, gets more and more complex as I study it. The more I've poured through the Hebrew text of Genesis 1 (and other passages), more possibilities open up for interpretation, but at the same time critiques of each of the predominant perspectives become more clear.
Let me give one example. Genesis 1:1 says that the sky and the land was created (bara') before the first day. From our modern perspective, we read it as a summary of what follows, but such "summary statements" or "titles" are a modern creation and not typical of ANE literature. Furthermore, considering that "sky and land" is a merism, it's most likely referring to everything in between, such as the phrase "lock, stock and barrel," which refers to a whole gun. The phrase means "all that you see." Thus, it's not surprising that the first days don't use the term bara' (to create), but instead seem to refer to ordering and giving purpose. And these comments are just the tip of the iceberg. I could teach a whole semester in a Hebrew exegesis course just on chapter 1.
Who's making mention of these things though? Sailhamer did it before he was forced to retire, and Walton and Beale do it somewhat (but Walton errs on the other side of interpretation). Fortunately, this book by Rau works through the various possibilities and instead of arguing one view over others, he attempts to show the framework from which each group sees things. It's such a helpful book for understanding the various views, and as someone who has found myself in various camps at times, I found him accurate.
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G. Kyle Essary
Janitorialmusings,
Can you give an example of why the Christian faith is "obsolete?" or where it is in conflict with "clear and overwhelming evidence?" If you're serious about having a discussion I'm more than willing. -
G. Kyle Essary
Janitorialmusings,
I just took the time to click on your site and see that you're a Christian as well and are just making the point about John's reasoning. -
Anonymous
Speaking of Biblical claims which don't hold water with what science knows and can prove…
Where can I go (on this site or anywhere, really) to find an educated answer as to how 7 BILLION people came from TWO people in less than 6,000 years? Science doesn't support this claim. DNA samples don't support this. Mathematics doesn't support this. Non-Christians this we are complete idiots for believing this when it's so blatantly impossible. Please help me out here. I'm really struggling with this and it doesn't seem that any of the dozens upon dozens of apologetics pages I've tried wanna handle this one?
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Irvine
Actually, from a mathematical perspective its very viable. If every couple had 2.3 reproducing children (so children who live to the point where they are able to join the next generation of couples) when they were 33 years old, then we would get 7 billion people after 5000 years (everyone came through Noah, who was more like 5000 years ago). Considering the size of Medieval families, its almost astonishing that there aren't more people.
The argument: (approximations I used on the right):
A = how long ago the original couple were ~= 5000
R = reproducing age (how old the couple were on average when they had their children) ~= 33
C = current population ~= 7 billion
X = ratio of reproducing children to members of the couple – in other terms, 2X = the number of reproducing children. This is the unknown we find.So if every R years a new generation is born, then between the first couple and now there would be A/R generations. Each time this happens, the population is multiplied by X. Since this happens A/R times, the population = X^(A/r). The rest is algebra:
C = X^(A/R)
ln(C)=(A/R)*ln(X)
ln(X)=(R/A)*ln(C)
ln(X)=ln(C^(R/A))
X=C^(R/A) ~= 1.16
2X~=2.32 childrenOf course, this is a purely mathematical argument, so simplifications were made (especially when the population is low since you can't have half a child, but we'll assume that it was fairly quickly that the population went from 2 to ~100 or so, where the small errors don;t matter so much). It's simply to show that it's viable.
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John Moore
Whenever solid physical observation conflicts with your current interpretation of the Bible, you must adjust your interpretation of the Bible. It's not that the Bible is wrong – it's your interpretation that was wrong.
If you cling to your interpretation despite solid physical observations, then you're just plain crazy. That's what drives people away from religion – the crazy people who cling to their obsolete interpretations despite clear and overwhelming evidence. But you can bring people to the Bible by toning down the crazy.