Saturday, July 17, 2010

Debate: Is Mormonism Christianity? Walter Martin vs. Van Hale

In this lively audio, the late great Walter Martin debates Van Hale on the topic: Is Mormonism Christianity? Martin is author of a number of excellent counter-cult books, including Kingdom of the Cults.

Full Debate MP3 Audio here. (90 min)


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  1. Davitor July 19, 2010

    Interesting to note that Van Hale remains Mormon.

  2. Seth July 19, 2010

    Truth will not always change a person's mind, e.g. the Pharisees, in our modern court cases and many others.

    Van Hale remaining a Mormon does nothing to discredit Walter Martin's arguments.

  3. Davitor July 19, 2010

    My intention is not to discredit Walter Martin but simply point to the inability to change someones mind regardless of all the evidence.

  4. Leslie July 21, 2010

    Well sure, but then again sometimes the evidence helps.

    Honestly though, I think apologetics is almost more of an internal ministry than an external one, even when it involves external efforts.

  5. bossmanham July 22, 2010

    This was a really exciting debate. I thought Dr. Martin really handed it to Van Hale, though I thought the debate too often got off track into personal issues.

    Davitor, surely you don't think that no one in the world has changed their mind. Maybe many people dig in their heels regardless of the good arguments given, but many don't. That's why there are converts.

  6. TSR July 22, 2010

    @Davitor: No human power can change a person's heart, it is only God who can change someone's heart, "Turning a heart of stone into a heart of flesh."

  7. Richard July 23, 2010

    "The heart is desperately wicked above all things. Who can know it?" Jeremiah 17:9 Absolutely now amount of apologetics will save someone. Only the regenerating work of God can change a man's heart, as TSR says.

  8. Leslie July 24, 2010

    I guess that's why Paul argued in the synagogues everywhere he went, and before the people in Athens, and before kings and various other authorities, and why he told Timothy to be ready to give a defense. Because giving a defense is to no avail in leading a person to Christ.

  9. truth4taiwan January 25, 2011

    Good point, Leslie.

    Davitor and others:

    Could it be that the information in apologetic work is what God uses to change peoples' hearts? Why or why not?

    After all, it was through preaching – the heralding of unheard of information – that God uses to save those that believe. (1 Corinthians 1:21)

    Would it be possible to get some more debates with Mormons posted? (The fact that the US almost wound up with a Mormon president should tell us something of their frightening intent.)